[Hondafan]

More of nothing to say, other than tin cans hold beer!:beer8:

 

[BenTerrible]

Easy big dog, my response was to the post just prior stating that .090 is out of the question. And if you read the post you will see that we are stating the same thing in regards to the cage being tied to the bed. So if you will get off your high horse for a second and look you will see that I do not have a cooler rack and I never referred to my cage as super duper deluxe fancy kid hauling. And I am doing the same as you and just voicing my opinion and not trying to talk down to another person or starting problems by taking someones words and changing them in an attempt to belittle their work and make an uncalled for remark.

Easy turbo...easy. It's the internet. Im not trying to belittle you, or change your words around. Don't want enemies, just thought that we would compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

-BenTerrible

 

[lilquinny93]

:bigpop:

 

[Hondafan]

I wanted to get some opinions regarding Rhino cage material. It seems that all the cage builders out there are using .083-.095 wall mild steel tube. Anyone ever consider safety first?
I see lots of the cages being used to enable a rear seat for small kids. Personally, I don't have kids. However, if I did, I would think twice before purchasing a mild steel cage and tying 2 infants to the back of my Rhino and then driving it through the desert at 40 + mph. Don't get me wrong, Im not trying to stir the pot, just want opinion. Being in the race industry for many years has taught me that there is a significant difference in the race cars and play toys. In advance, I thank you for your feedback!

-BenTerrible

I did misunderstand. I saw you asking about material and thickness and I thought that my post about material and thickness pertained to the question. I will pay more attention in the future. My apologies. And you are right, it is the internet and I can be anyone I want to be.

 

[Mom'sRide]

Ok, so getting back the the subject. How do I know what my cage is built from. I bought mine used with a cage allready on. What is the stock # again?
Where is the rear supposed to bolt on to?
Mine does not bolt anywhere!

Crap, now I have to fix something else!!!!

 

[BenTerrible]

Ok, so getting back the the subject. How do I know what my cage is built from. I bought mine used with a cage allready on. What is the stock # again?
Where is the rear supposed to bolt on to?
Mine does not bolt anywhere!

Crap, now I have to fix something else!!!!

don't worry! send some pictures of what ya got. we can help you out!

-BenTerrible

 

[Mom'sRide]

I am really not to worried. I don't ride crazy. I was just looking for an excuse to buy something new. But this thread does make me wonder??

 

[mx4life48]

2 cents.

I agree that a .120 wall mild steel is better. The common Joe smoe could be told anything and buy it under trust.

4130 is Obviously a better choice but keep in mind customers are always balling on a budget.



When it come to price keep in mind business's have employees and lots of overhead and consumables that people take for granted. Also consider there are manufactures and retailers, both parties need to make their margins.

Most business owners would understand.

If I was a father I sure as hell wouldnt have kids strapped in a rhino bed and drive like a a-hole. Accidents happen-so be prepared and have harness's + helmets as well. A good triangulated .120 wall cage would protect you fine.

I as well have seen numorous videos of stock cages holding up quite well .

Brain Buckets-It's what keeps you alive.
Common Sense-unfortunately you can't buy it.

Later-

if you want it done right-
long story short...get your cages from magnum offroad
:headbang:
yaaa boooi

 

[sandjunky]

hey ben, what about 6160 t6 if the design is good? 2'' tube and has alot more x bracing than most.

 

[BenTerrible]

T6 is pretty tough stuff. If you want numbers, 6061 T6 is a high tempered grade of normal 6061, or 6061 fresh out of the will. T6 has a yield strength of about 40,000 PSI which is pretty strong, especially for aluminum. Now, compared to Chromium Mollybendium 4130 its about half the strength depending on which temper 4130 you have. Normalized 4130 will hold a yield strength of 70,000 PSI WITHOUT post-weld treatment. By post-weld treatment I am reffering to stress relieving/heat treating. When you weld all the joints on your chassis you are inducing stress in those areas and those areas only. By heat treating the entire part/chassis you relieve it of all unnecessary stress and it will be much stronger-a yield of about 120,000 PSI. All of this compared to Mild Steel with a yield strength of about 30,000 PSI, well you do the math-for an extra few bux per foot you can have more than double the strength.
To answer your question, I think you will be alright-better off than most others. Afterall-6061 T6 is aircraft grade material! Hope this gives a better insight. I have been studying Metallurgy now and I am the kind of guy who likes to compare numbers.

-BenTerrible

 

[KJSmith84]

Man I wish I would have paid more attention in my Metallurgy class in college. I didn’t retain any info. I needed the classes to work at Palo Verde for APS as a machinist. It would of came in handy now.

 

[sandjunky]

DAM ben, you the man. i will try and post some pics of the cage today so maybe can can bless it. :arms:

 

[BenTerrible]

Cool dude! Shoot me an email:
BenjaminCHeath@GMail.com

 

[sandjunky]

what dont you guys us 6160 in your truck?

 

[KJSmith84]

What do you think of my cage???
4130 material

 

[JoeyD23]

if you want it done right-
long story short...get your cages from magnum offroad
:headbang:
yaaa boooi

:fing02::fing02::fing02:

 

[sandjunky]

I am also in the same boat with the price of these dam things. I called to check on pricing for chromoly mild steel and DOM. if I use 100 feet of tube, should be more than enough pipe for all X bracing and main runs, I came up with about $367 (1 ¾’’ .095). This cage will have waaaaay more support than what is being sold on the street today. I know people need to make money but DAM. Some shops are making them out of chromoly and charging $1500 and that price I can justify due to the cost and the amount of tube they use, about $8 bucks a foot. Fireball makes a dam nice cage for about $1800 and he is some what local but that is out of my price range. I have been trying to due as much home on this as possible because when somebody is in the back of my rhino, THEY ARE MY RESPONSIBLE. I have seen way too many you tube videos that have ended all wrong and don’t want to be “that guy”. JMO

 

[roamerr]

Anyone seen the Yamaha Rhino Rear Section Sport Cage from Rock Hard 4x4? They normally build Jeep cages but also build one for the Rhino. The cage is made from .120 wall 1 3/4" tube. The cage modifies the bed pivot point and mounts to the frame. I called Rock Hard in NE and they claimed they had a Rhino flip 3 times end on end and the cage and Rhino were OK. They did not shy away from safety questions. I am in NC and this seems to be a good option for me to get shipped to my home.

http://www.rockhardatv.com/RHATV-1001.html

Better pics:
http://www.tellico4x4.com/product_info.php/cPath/3442_3589/products_id/28680

 

[sandjunky]

cage looks good outside of the welds. .120 wall is really thick for what you are doing but cant hurt. not sure if they have any more close ups of there welding or not, but the one pic looks kind of like chicken welds.

 

[roamerr]

The welds do look a little "meaty". I've never heard the term "chicken welds" before. That's funny!