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Ok guys having trouble deciding which swap I want to do? What are the pros and cons for either swap? Which swap results in faster mph? I will be doing mostly dune riding with the occasional real riding.

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Sv will be more drivable for ur application. R1 will be faster up top but sv has more low end grunt for duning and rec. Riding. Donno when u are plannin on doing ur swap but hit me up before u do. I mighy have a new idea. my buddy is bout to put apex in his rzr and iff he does i gotta keep up so i might have a complete kit local for u. But it would be after first of year before id be ready.
 

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I know lol but ill need a winter project lol. And i wanna keep this one kinfa a secret but itll be stupid fast. Prob real unpractical to lol
 

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It's just matter of opinion really and who's install kit you want to go with. My r1 has plenty of low end but I geared it that way as too much top end on that short wheel base of a car was really not appealing to me. The nice thing about it is I can easily change the gearing if I want to make runs down the drags.

Darkside and Metal Tech both make nice but not cheap kits that allow you to have reverse and you don't have to widen the b-pillars. You will also have reverse. I went with Darkside kit and so far more than happy with it.

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I cant say what an R1 would be like but i like my SV1000 is great. I got the Weller racing SV1 kit and it was pretty strait forward. plus you dont have to widen your chassis for the SV, it sits right between your stock seats! I have no reverse on mine, only because i did not wont to spend 2500.00 just to go backwards....but i just do dune ridding anyways.
 

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I cant say what an R1 would be like but i like my SV1000 is great. I got the Weller racing SV1 kit and it was pretty strait forward. plus you dont have to widen your chassis for the SV, it sits right between your stock seats! I have no reverse on mine, only because i did not wont to spend 2500.00 just to go backwards....but i just do dune ridding anyways.
That's what started it all for me. I found a reverse box that needed a new gear set for $200. Threw in a new gear set for $400 and had a box for $600 total investment. I also went with Darkside's kit so I did not have to widen the chassis or b-Pillars. I also, was able to keep it a four-seater and get everything to fit under the stock Rhino Engine cover with a little modification.
 

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Well, I have had both....and my favorite for all types of riding is the R1. The fun factor is just greater in the R1 (at least for me), especially in the dunes. Kind of the difference between riding a Banshee or a Raptor, I guess.

R1 power: The R1 loves to make power around 11k - 13k RPM. The sound when it's on the pipe is like nothing else, and it's just plain FAST. However, I can lug my R1 around with regular stock Rhinos all day.....the lower end power is very usable and surprises a lot of people. I don't run paddles at the dunes and can climb any hill, run the drags, and can bowl with the fastest rails without a problem. If you want the R1 between your seats in the stock location, you either need a widened Rhino or will need to do a little widening to get it there. You do have another option to place it farther back, and you can leave your seats in their stock location - we have done this for several customers and it's turned out nice.

SV1000 power: The SV has less overall HP than the R1, but you don't really notice it until you get into the top gears. It's got a very linear powerband (as do most v-twins) and it's got plenty of it for the dunes, hills, etc. Top speeds are not as fast as the R1, but honestly, who's going to be running over 100mph in their Rhino much anyway?? The SV1000 is more narrow than the R1 - so it will fit in the stock location and will fit in a stock width Rhino without having to bring it back or widen the b-pillars.

My SV1000 was alot of fun.....but I just prefer the R1 sound and powerband over the v-twin. Either swap is a KICK IN THE PANTS, and makes ripping around in your Rhino waaaaay more fun!!

I, of course, run the Weller swap kit because it's extremely tough, very low maintenance and a pretty straightforward set-up. Changing gearing is as simple as changing sprocket sizes on front/rear and we just don't have any chain issues. No reverse hasn't been an issue for me.....I dont go out alone and I am used to parking/stopping without reverse anyway because I'm a quad rider, too......and have never had reverse on my quads! :)

The cool thing is, as consumer, we actually HAVE choices out there these days - and it's just a matter of figuring out which choices meet your particular needs the best. :)
 

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450grl, rookie?s
How big is it to widen the frame?
Is there any issue to moving the motor back so it will fit, when riding ?
Will the Weller R1 kit work when moving the motor back
As u can see iv made up my mined on a motor just trying to figure out if I can do the job my self or leave it to the professionals!
 

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i think its more of a "Budget" issue than anything. The R1 will require a wider chassis which is a domino effect on other parts. The more you move the motor back to clear the seats the worse your car is going to steer. If you already have a built rhino and just want to add power I say do the V twin, If you have an ex racer that is already wider and lower Id say go with the R1. I can tell you right now tho....dont think the R1 isnt dune capable....because thats the only riding I do in mine.
 

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Like I said, we have widened as well as set the motor back a little in several customer projects, and they worked out well both ways. I believe it's less work to move it back, but don't quote me on that - lol!!

Give Jason a call at the shop - he can answer any questions you might have and help you figure out the best way to do your set-up with what you already have - 480-507-4771. If he doesn't answer, leave a message - he's very good at getting back to everyone that does! :)
 

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i think its more of a "Budget" issue than anything. The R1 will require a wider chassis which is a domino effect on other parts. The more you move the motor back to clear the seats the worse your car is going to steer. If you already have a built rhino and just want to add power I say do the V twin, If you have an ex racer that is already wider and lower Id say go with the R1. I can tell you right now tho....dont think the R1 isnt dune capable....because thats the only riding I do in mine.
Well put tbat was a main factor on my choice! simplicity! i already had a nice xmf skinned cage and didnt wanna give it away or hack it all up. I also wanted to keep the stock fuel tank. the sv fits great and not to mention sounds amazing! either way id recommend weller either way! Great ppl to deal with and even gave help after hrs a few times when i was in a bind. o i even got my factoru engine cover to fit! but fiddy if u make it out to the supermoto race u can look it over. Ill give ya a ride in it to if theres a place.
 

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We are working over time at my job right now so I haven't decided if I'm going to take that saturday off yet or just head down after work but I'm going to try and make it down.
 

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Well guys and gals my rhino is bone stock suspension motor ( other then pipe intake and cdi ) so I'm pretty much starting from the beginning of a parts list iv only been researching for 2 weeks Iv heard alot on Weller and dark side!!!

Fiddy,Sorry for chiming in on your thread!
 

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hey jimmy, are you going out to the dunes anytime soon? i am making a trip out on the 14th 15th of Oct with the rhino.
Trying to go to Glamis that weekend.

Halloween, Mid November, Thanksgiving, Mid December, MLK weekend, Prez weekend, Mid March and Easter are in the books as for sure's.
 

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i think its more of a "Budget" issue than anything. The R1 will require a wider chassis which is a domino effect on other parts. The more you move the motor back to clear the seats the worse your car is going to steer. If you already have a built rhino and just want to add power I say do the V twin, If you have an ex racer that is already wider and lower Id say go with the R1. I can tell you right now tho....dont think the R1 isnt dune capable....because thats the only riding I do in mine.
I have to disagree. Maybe it was removing the front axles, but I can turn around in my narrow street without having to backup once. Steering is 4x better.

There are other options out there to where you do not need to widen the chassis. Here's a pic of mine with an R1 that fits under the engine cover, wide seats and without widening the B-pillars...


 

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I havent driven a SV rhino yet, but I think it would make a better trail rig. But I was very surprised how well the R1 did just putting around the hills. Yeah, your not going to spin the tire right off idle, but it worked better than i expected. And man, when your really on the Pipe, that motor is such a rush! Very fun!!!!
 
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