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How much torque do built Rhino engines make?
Personally I don't know how much torque a rotax makes. I have witness and ridden with several rotax rhinos and I know that the torque on a Rotax is greater than even my Rhino. You see how much easier and faster the Rotax climbs huge hills which is proof enough for me. Are they quicker on flat ground, NO. Only a Teryx with built motors climb faster. I have a bronco clutch on mine and that does make a huge difference when drag racing on flat surfaces but until someone puts a bronco clutch on a Rotax Rhino I guess we will have to speculate.
Just for info, My buddy has one of the first 800 Outlanders and we clocked it at 59mph (60 flashed) on GPS. This does not sound impressive, I know, but he was running a track kit. They are strong engines for sure but I don't know if I could justify the cost of the swap.
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Hey guys - look the dumb ass opened his mouth again on another forum. lol

Apparently all you have to do it raise your rev and hit it hard

what an idiot- a lesser rev cam, no intake, and minus the displacement is going to be the same? god and people actually listen and buy stuff from him


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I should probably just keep my mouth closed but!!

We did a simple 11:1 piston, stage II cam, Muzzy pipe and MSD with totally stock intake and can do everything that one can do.

I am totally against stroking one even thought it does give more HP, they will cause problems down the road in the rhino engine.

I raised my rev limiter to 8500 and hit it hard.

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Hey guys - look the dumb ass opened his mouth again. lol

Apparently all you have to do it raise your rev and hit it hard

what an idiot- a lesser rev cam, no intake, and minus the displacement is going to be the same? god and people actually listen and buy stuff from him
Thanks for bringing him into this thread!!!
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I just think it is funny that people acually value what he says
I'm with you there.
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Having rode w/Kyle in Florence that day, his machine is tuned very well! Great work by the guys at Unleashed. I think the main thing here is this kit that really give the best of both worlds here in the southwest. You get the low end torque/speed for getting around the big hills at the dunes. But because of the stroker, you can do the slower rock trails without having your rear end come out from under you.

There is always give and take. A stroker engine will not, reliably, run at higher rpms than a smaller stroke conterpart. This is due to the piston speed. As an example, think of two engines, A and R. Engine A has a stroke of "X", while engine B has a stroke of "X+Y". If both engines are turning at a speed of 4000 rpm, the pistons of engine A have less distance to travel than those of engine B. Since both engines are turning at the same rpm, the pistons of engine R have to cover more distance in the same amount of time as the pistons of engine A, resulting in higher piston speeds. Short stroke engines, therefore, can run higher rpm with greater reliability and less stress on the reciprocating assembly. This could be why HW stated he is seeing the same performance by increasing the rev limiter. Although, you'll eventually hit the limits of the valve spring accuaction at very high rpms (why formula 1 engines run a pneumatic valve actuator).

As far as the single cylinder vs. twin cylinder comparisons. You really can't compare (apples to apples). You do the same mods to a V-Twin and get same percentage increases, but you'll always have more torque. Kind of like comparing a big block V6 to a small block V8. The V8 (give the same displacement) will produce more rotational torque (2 more cylinders).

The thing to keep in mind with stroker/big bore kits is the cooling jackets are pretty thin on all these engines (Rhino, Teryx, RZR). The side loading of the stroker and the material removed for the bore, in addition to the higher compression, increase engine heat. This is especially true around the cam lobes. I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but good quality motor oils really decrease engine operating tempatures.

Kudos to Unleashed for all the R&D on getting the FI motor up to the carb guys (without having to replace injectors)! I know Kyle was without his machine for long periods of time that had to KILL him. In the end, great work! Now the reliability testing starts...
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Hey guys - look the dumb ass opened his mouth again. lol

Apparently all you have to do it raise your rev and hit it hard

what an idiot- a lesser rev cam, no intake, and minus the displacement is going to be the same? god and people actually listen and buy stuff from him


Quote: Originally Posted by hunterworks
I should probably just keep my mouth closed but!!

We did a simple 11:1 piston, stage II cam, Muzzy pipe and MSD with totally stock intake and can do everything that one can do.

I am totally against stroking one even thought it does give more HP, they will cause problems down the road in the rhino engine.

I raised my rev limiter to 8500 and hit it hard.

Does our friend Todd have some dyno sheets he would like to compare??? The ones I have seen on his website are 8 to 9 hp less. I do believe the more hp Todd refers to is the actual reason most of us spend the money for motor mods. Even if you put the stroker in your motor Todd you will not get the same hp out of it.
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How does price to HP compare to doing a rotax motor?? Seams the rotax guys are getting alot of power, with potential to mod further... I know the rotax swap is expensive but would it be a better duner with the twin??
The rotax swap is going to cost more but is it faster? There are several opinions on that but just the rotax swap alone, with no motor work and bolt-on modifications (exhaust, clutch tuning, etc...) is not going to be quicker on flat level ground than this mod based on his numbers. Once you start to climb comp hill, china wall, etc.. the rotax will win. A well tuned and running Rotax climbs faster with less work than even my 760 Weller motor which puts out about 60 hp on the dyno. That twin is hard to beat in the torque category. In a drag race I would chose the 700fi mod, well running 686, 720 & 760 motors. Add a 840 kit to the rotax it will make it more interesting but still the rhino motor will be as fast or faster on the flats but will lose in a hill climb.
Great write up Kyle can't wait to dune with you next season. Well said Michaeltom.
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The rotax swap is going to cost more but is it faster? There are several opinions on that but just the rotax swap alone, with no motor work and bolt-on modifications (exhaust, clutch tuning, etc...) is not going to be quicker on flat level ground than this mod based on his numbers. Once you start to climb comp hill, china wall, etc.. the rotax will win. A well tuned and running Rotax climbs faster with less work than even my 760 Weller motor which puts out about 60 hp on the dyno. That twin is hard to beat in the torque category. In a drag race I would chose the 700fi mod, well running 686, 720 & 760 motors. Add a 840 kit to the rotax it will make it more interesting but still the rhino motor will be as fast or faster on the flats but will lose in a hill climb.
Great write up Kyle can't wait to dune with you next season. Well said Michaeltom.
yeah I cant wait- going to be alot of fast or should I say faster guys in the BOOYAA crew camp!!!
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Great write up Kyle can't wait to dune with you next season. Well said Michaeltom.
yeah I cant wait- going to be alot of fast or should I say faster guys in the BOOYAA crew camp!!!
Ya what really sucks is I am going to have to spend some serious cash on my Teryx just so I can fly by Kyle again.
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yeah I cant wait- going to be alot of fast or should I say faster guys in the BOOYAA crew camp!!!
Ya what really sucks is I am going to have to spend some serious cash on my Teryx just so I can fly by Kyle again.
that was you in my mirrors wasnt it? lol

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Ya what really sucks is I am going to have to spend some serious cash on my Teryx just so I can fly by Kyle again.
that was you in my mirrors wasnt it? lol

when you coming back to az?
Ya that happens alot, me in your mirror

I'll be back Sunday.
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I have the same 700 w/ +5, 11:1 and cam MSD, Muzzy and pulled 67mph today... I might try changing the clutch weights from stock to get some more. Or even later do some head work and add a intake...

Of course thanks to Jeff (1bddelx) for for the sick tune on my MSD!! :b anana::ban ana:
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Good job Kyle and your welcome Bobby, that thing moves. I'm always glad to help.....
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