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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-19-2012, 07:08 PM Thread Starter
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Torn CV Boot need help identifying Axle

Hello, I purchased a 2004 660 and I was told it had Gorilla Axles on it. After the fact I added a 2 in lift kit and about a year later (now) a inboard boot tore on the right rear axle. I ordered a boot kit from Gorilla for their axle with a 2in lift and it is wrong. the diameter of the boot that goes over the cup is about 3in and the cup is about 3 3/4in in diameter.

Looking at some youtube videos of people replacing boots on axles mine does not look the same as other gorilla axles. It looks like mine has a section on the axle that is smaller in diameter whereas in the videos the gorilla axles are straight. I have included a few pictures of it. Unfortunatly when I went to pull the axle out the cup stayed in the transaxle. Does not want to just pull out as others in other threads say they will do.












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Wow that looks like its seen it's fair amount of water ,,, that looks like a stock axle

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I can't really tell what type of axle that is, but if you take it to NAPA or most any other good parts store, they can find you a correctly sized boot to replace it with. Probably a better one than came on it. As far as getting the cup out of the diff, your rears MAY be bolted together internally. you'll have to get a light pointed in there and see if theres a bolt head all the way down in there. If so, you will have to take the other side off and unbolt them. A lot of people had problems with the Gorillas (and other brands)popping out of the differential and started bolting the two together in the middle.

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Talk to Mike at Weller racing.. Measure inside diameter of both ends and he could do the same with what they sale.. Maybe they have what you need..
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Wow that looks like its seen it's fair amount of water ,,, that looks like a stock axle
Bummer I was told when I bought it that it had gorilla axles on it. Thanks. Phil

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I can't really tell what type of axle that is, but if you take it to NAPA or most any other good parts store, they can find you a correctly sized boot to replace it with. Probably a better one than came on it. As far as getting the cup out of the diff, your rears MAY be bolted together internally. you'll have to get a light pointed in there and see if theres a bolt head all the way down in there. If so, you will have to take the other side off and unbolt them. A lot of people had problems with the Gorillas (and other brands)popping out of the differential and started bolting the two together in the middle.
Bolted together? So where would I shine a light down to look for a bolt head? In the cv joint cup. Or pull the other side axle and look in from that side?

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Talk to Mike at Weller racing.. Measure inside diameter of both ends and he could do the same with what they sale.. Maybe they have what you need..
High thanks for checking for me on this. So measure the inside of the existing boots or the inside of the cv cups?

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I can't really tell what type of axle that is, but if you take it to NAPA or most any other good parts store, they can find you a correctly sized boot to replace it with. Probably a better one than came on it. As far as getting the cup out of the diff, your rears MAY be bolted together internally. you'll have to get a light pointed in there and see if theres a bolt head all the way down in there. If so, you will have to take the other side off and unbolt them. A lot of people had problems with the Gorillas (and other brands)popping out of the differential and started bolting the two together in the middle.
Bolted together? So where would I shine a light down to look for a bolt head? In the cv joint cup. Or pull the other side axle and look in from that side?

Thanks. Phil

Yes, inside the CV cup. Some folks tap the hole and bolt the two (left and right) together to keep 'em from popping out. If you pull the opposite side, and the cup stays put while the axle comes out, thats a pretty good indicator. Could be corroded in too with that amount of rust and gunk. In that case, take the opposite side out and tap the stuck one out carefully.

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That is definitely not a stock axle set up.The inner clip is not a stock style.Some of the Gorrilas had a connector type post that hold the 2 inner cv's together and can be a pain to get apart.If you find the right boot you can probably clean it up and put it back together on the Rhino iif you have to.
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Trouble pulling Axle out of Diff Help!

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I can't really tell what type of axle that is, but if you take it to NAPA or most any other good parts store, they can find you a correctly sized boot to replace it with. Probably a better one than came on it. As far as getting the cup out of the diff, your rears MAY be bolted together internally. you'll have to get a light pointed in there and see if theres a bolt head all the way down in there. If so, you will have to take the other side off and unbolt them. A lot of people had problems with the Gorillas (and other brands)popping out of the differential and started bolting the two together in the middle.
Bolted together? So where would I shine a light down to look for a bolt head? In the cv joint cup. Or pull the other side axle and look in from that side?

Thanks. Phil

Yes, inside the CV cup. Some folks tap the hole and bolt the two (left and right) together to keep 'em from popping out. If you pull the opposite side, and the cup stays put while the axle comes out, thats a pretty good indicator. Could be corroded in too with that amount of rust and gunk. In that case, take the opposite side out and tap the stuck one out carefully.
Ok so in trying to pull the right rear axle out, the inner cv cup stayed in the diff. So I took the suggestion to pull the left side axle out to then tap through the diff and knock out the right side that is stuck. Unfortunatly the left side axle pulled out and left the cup in as well! Worse is that axle and boots were fine...

So I felt inside both cups and there is no bolt inside to bolt the two together. Im guessing they are corroded in.

I took the time to make a puller, like a pully puller with arms to reach around the cups and leverage off of the frame and pull them outward. Its rugged, made of 1/4" flat and angle iron and the thing under heavy pulling pressure just spreads out and slips past the cups. THis is pulling way more than I could manually so I dont know how to pull them out.


Any suggestions? I also tried using a prybar behind the cup against the diff with a block of wood and it just slips out under pressure....


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So here is the puller I made. I added a C clamp to keep the arms from spreading around the cup and it wouldnt pull out, instead it was bending the diff mounts and pulling the diff right over!


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I'll bet you have the Gorilla's with the inner post that goes between the 2 inner cv's.You have the right idea, just make sure your puller is pulling evenly on each side.Put some tension on it and then smack it with a hammer and punch.Try to get the punch on the back side of the cv and hit it in the direction of the puller.The vibration should help it break free.It really shouldnt corrode inside the diff.
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Im betting those are the older Gorillas with the tie bar as well. Don't know how those work myself, but Id recommend you call Gorilla and let them tell you how to separate them before you wreck your diff.

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Im betting those are the older Gorillas with the tie bar as well. Don't know how those work myself, but Id recommend you call Gorilla and let them tell you how to separate them before you wreck your diff.
Hi Guys thanks so some older Gorilla axles had a TIE BAR between the axles? Can you describe it a bit more on how this hooks the two axles together?

Cause Ive reached into both CV Cups and the inside of the shaft going into the diff feels smooth on both the sides and the bottom (inside end).

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Its a bar about 6in long with c clips on each end, kind of like an axle but without splines.It slides inside of the cv's and the clips expand and hold them together.
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